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Jennifer says:
Out of interest, have you ever calculated the carbon footprint of your lifestyle–driving to Chicago regularly, burning wood for heat…?
Questions about the sustainability of our lifestyles seem even more important and urgent (to me) than whether our kids are getting optimal cultural diversity.
Just wondering.
Pat says:
Is this serious? Let’s all just stay inside and be like the Amish — we won’t be killing the ecosystem nearly as quickly then!
Tim says:
There are Malthusians who would say you’re on to something there…
I can’t answer this question for Penelope. But I can offer you an interesting link about how farms may save our butts. http://www.marincarbonproject.org
I was going to suggest creating a carbon calculator to my son as a project (he might like the idea), but have now found a couple on-line that seem OK. This is the easiest to use of the ones I found today: http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx/
(If you think you will want to keep your results, register before you start, otherwise you’ll lose it all and have to start again!)
Seeing the numbers inspires me to try harder!
karelys says:
I think that if we calculated the carbon footprint of our grocery consumption alone we’d be stunned.
Jennifer says:
So true karelys, that was actually one of the biggest surprises for our household. Even though we don’t eat a lot of processed food.
Thanks for this article! I’m watching our four kids learn to navigate multiple cultures with fairly graceful ease, and it’s delightful. The one culture they have a hard time cracking is “public school”–there are a lot of harsh things they just don’t “get” easily (like the high-drama and meanness, mostly). I’m not terribly upset at that. I also love watching otherly-schooled kids come into our home and just RELAX, as we don’t go for drama or mean here.
(By the way, I could write that first sentence in the comments of just about every article of yours I’ve read thus far. I’m glad to have found your blog!)
Ron says:
I love the country lifestyle and think it’s better for kids. Nature, hard work, fresh air, exercise, etc. Beats sitting in a classroom all day, then sitting at home or going to the mall.
I agree also with your unstated premise that living on a farm in the U.S. is a different culture than living in a suburb. I used to live in rural North Carolina and now live in a suburb. We moved to gain all the “advantages” of lessons, culture, etc., but I feel that we lost a lot too. We ended up conforming to this suburban culture and its standards.
By the way, you know you can skype those violin and cello lessons so you don’t have to drive all over the place for them.
Isabelle Spike says:
Wow, I hope you’re not a string teacher, because you couldn’t be more wrong about being able to Skype violin ans cello lessons. I taught violin for years, and there are *countless* things you can’t teach via Skype, including positioning of both the left hand and bow hold, and tone. There are many things that require actual physical manipulation of the student’s posture, and many aspects of sound that wouldn’t be the same over Skype. (Sorry for the off-topic comment, but I think it’s important to realize what *can’t* be outsourced to technology when talking about education.)
The technical definition is: “a person who has spent a significant part of his or her developmental years outside the parents’ culture.” Usually when people use this term, they’re talking about a child who grew up in a country other than their homeland (e.g. passport), but it applies here. You grew up as a city girl, and your kids are growing up as farm boys.
It’ll be interesting to see how they identify themselves once they’re adults.
Penelope Trunk says:
Thanks for the link to thire culture. I had never heard of this but I get it.
The fact that my husband grew up on a farm means there is guidance for the kids in this culture. But I can easily imagine how incredibly difficult it would be to help the kids navigate rural life on my own – it would be very very hard on all of us. This makes me think about how difficult it must be for parents bringing their kids to a culture with no navigator.
Thanks for giving me a word to describe this.
Penelope
karelys says:
Your pigs always look like they are smiling. They are like “ya’ll havin’ a good day?” :)
K says:
I grew up in the suburbs in the North. I live in the rural South now. The first time a coworker shouted “I DONE TOLD YOU ’bout that shit!” to another coworker, I wanted to laugh. But now it flies out of my mouth in appropriate situations, because it gets the point across better than my standard English. :)
Oh this is so, so true. We lived in northern India for three years with our three kids and we homeschooled them the whole time (still are). They learned to speak some Hindi, and even better almost, to speak English with an Indian accent when playing with their friends. They were true TCK’s, or Third Culture Kids. They could move in and out of our American apartment (with a live-in Nepali house helper) and into our Indian neighborhood. I loved that we could study about George Washington and then go celebrate Diwali with our neighbors. Such good memories…
Hazel says:
Being homeschooled isn’t necessary for experiencing cultural diversity. Homeschooling can squash exposure to cultural diversity just like a conformist neighborhood or school can. A kid can be a TCK and go to school.
Many schools can provide rich intercultural experiences through interactions with students and teachers from different backgrounds and a multicultural curriculum.
Who wants to be raised in the city any way. Apparently only 1 in 5 Aussie kids have climbed a tree! How tragic is that? I’m sure you are all happier living in the countryside and being surrounded by animals – even if you do have to whack some of them on the head with a baseball bat…
I try not to correct my kids when they use an Aussie twang ( I speak the queen’s english;) they are just trying to fit in, experimenting and learning about different cultures like yours. And, yes, that’s a very good thing.
PS. Great piggy pic.
Lisa S. says:
Hi Penelope – I’m a little late reading this post but I love your observations about moving between two cultures. It reminds me of how sometimes black people have to seamlessly move between two worlds and this movement often happens through speech. When I’m at work, I will speak a certain way, use certain words but when I get together with my friends, we eventually drop the professionalism in our voices and speak with a certain slang or inflection that you’d never hear me use at work. Btw – I think your blog is fantastic.
Out of interest, have you ever calculated the carbon footprint of your lifestyle–driving to Chicago regularly, burning wood for heat…?
Questions about the sustainability of our lifestyles seem even more important and urgent (to me) than whether our kids are getting optimal cultural diversity.
Just wondering.
Is this serious? Let’s all just stay inside and be like the Amish — we won’t be killing the ecosystem nearly as quickly then!
There are Malthusians who would say you’re on to something there…
Hey Jennifer,
I can’t answer this question for Penelope. But I can offer you an interesting link about how farms may save our butts.
http://www.marincarbonproject.org
Also consider the book by Craig Childs “Apocalyptic Planet” due out this October. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307379094/?tag=ptrunk-20
Thanks for the links :)
I was going to suggest creating a carbon calculator to my son as a project (he might like the idea), but have now found a couple on-line that seem OK. This is the easiest to use of the ones I found today:
http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx/
(If you think you will want to keep your results, register before you start, otherwise you’ll lose it all and have to start again!)
Seeing the numbers inspires me to try harder!
I think that if we calculated the carbon footprint of our grocery consumption alone we’d be stunned.
So true karelys, that was actually one of the biggest surprises for our household. Even though we don’t eat a lot of processed food.
Thanks for this article! I’m watching our four kids learn to navigate multiple cultures with fairly graceful ease, and it’s delightful. The one culture they have a hard time cracking is “public school”–there are a lot of harsh things they just don’t “get” easily (like the high-drama and meanness, mostly). I’m not terribly upset at that. I also love watching otherly-schooled kids come into our home and just RELAX, as we don’t go for drama or mean here.
(By the way, I could write that first sentence in the comments of just about every article of yours I’ve read thus far. I’m glad to have found your blog!)
I love the country lifestyle and think it’s better for kids. Nature, hard work, fresh air, exercise, etc. Beats sitting in a classroom all day, then sitting at home or going to the mall.
I agree also with your unstated premise that living on a farm in the U.S. is a different culture than living in a suburb. I used to live in rural North Carolina and now live in a suburb. We moved to gain all the “advantages” of lessons, culture, etc., but I feel that we lost a lot too. We ended up conforming to this suburban culture and its standards.
By the way, you know you can skype those violin and cello lessons so you don’t have to drive all over the place for them.
Wow, I hope you’re not a string teacher, because you couldn’t be more wrong about being able to Skype violin ans cello lessons. I taught violin for years, and there are *countless* things you can’t teach via Skype, including positioning of both the left hand and bow hold, and tone. There are many things that require actual physical manipulation of the student’s posture, and many aspects of sound that wouldn’t be the same over Skype. (Sorry for the off-topic comment, but I think it’s important to realize what *can’t* be outsourced to technology when talking about education.)
What you’re describing here is a classic case of “Third Culture Kid”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid
The technical definition is: “a person who has spent a significant part of his or her developmental years outside the parents’ culture.” Usually when people use this term, they’re talking about a child who grew up in a country other than their homeland (e.g. passport), but it applies here. You grew up as a city girl, and your kids are growing up as farm boys.
It’ll be interesting to see how they identify themselves once they’re adults.
Thanks for the link to thire culture. I had never heard of this but I get it.
The fact that my husband grew up on a farm means there is guidance for the kids in this culture. But I can easily imagine how incredibly difficult it would be to help the kids navigate rural life on my own – it would be very very hard on all of us. This makes me think about how difficult it must be for parents bringing their kids to a culture with no navigator.
Thanks for giving me a word to describe this.
Penelope
Your pigs always look like they are smiling. They are like “ya’ll havin’ a good day?” :)
I grew up in the suburbs in the North. I live in the rural South now. The first time a coworker shouted “I DONE TOLD YOU ’bout that shit!” to another coworker, I wanted to laugh. But now it flies out of my mouth in appropriate situations, because it gets the point across better than my standard English. :)
Oh this is so, so true. We lived in northern India for three years with our three kids and we homeschooled them the whole time (still are). They learned to speak some Hindi, and even better almost, to speak English with an Indian accent when playing with their friends. They were true TCK’s, or Third Culture Kids. They could move in and out of our American apartment (with a live-in Nepali house helper) and into our Indian neighborhood. I loved that we could study about George Washington and then go celebrate Diwali with our neighbors. Such good memories…
Being homeschooled isn’t necessary for experiencing cultural diversity. Homeschooling can squash exposure to cultural diversity just like a conformist neighborhood or school can. A kid can be a TCK and go to school.
Many schools can provide rich intercultural experiences through interactions with students and teachers from different backgrounds and a multicultural curriculum.
Who wants to be raised in the city any way. Apparently only 1 in 5 Aussie kids have climbed a tree! How tragic is that? I’m sure you are all happier living in the countryside and being surrounded by animals – even if you do have to whack some of them on the head with a baseball bat…
I try not to correct my kids when they use an Aussie twang ( I speak the queen’s english;) they are just trying to fit in, experimenting and learning about different cultures like yours. And, yes, that’s a very good thing.
PS. Great piggy pic.
Hi Penelope – I’m a little late reading this post but I love your observations about moving between two cultures. It reminds me of how sometimes black people have to seamlessly move between two worlds and this movement often happens through speech. When I’m at work, I will speak a certain way, use certain words but when I get together with my friends, we eventually drop the professionalism in our voices and speak with a certain slang or inflection that you’d never hear me use at work. Btw – I think your blog is fantastic.