But the very word curriculum connotes something premeditated. You’re feeling it out as you go. How is that curriculum? It’s just parenting and life.
Karelys says:
I want to say yes! to this but also…
Somehow education and JUST parenting and life have been separated. As if education is this scientific pursuit and there’s a recipe for it. It’s validated because there are important people with big titles getting paid a lot of money to tell teachers what to do. And on and on.
“JUST parenting and life” has been demoted to this haphazard drunk dance that sometimes looks good and sometimes makes you kiss the floor.
But it is THERE were we get prepared, or screwed up, for life no??
So basically, unschooling is turning the shirt inside out for me and saying “No. Look. This is the education. And the purpose. The goal is the same even when I have to change the approach a million times.”
MBL says:
“this haphazard drunk dance that sometimes looks good and sometimes makes you kiss the floor.”
She talks frankly and realistically about sex and it’s many varied flavors. I think you’d like her. And maybe she’d be helpful in resetting expectations for your boys.
Penelope Trunk says:
Yes! I love her. And I’ve sent so many videos of hers to my sons. My sons just pretty much don’t care. But maybe they will care later. I think she’s great. I wish she had been around when I was younger.
Penelope
Caitlin Timothy says:
Love the real life bookshelf metaphor for curriculum. I’m still dealing with the meta of it. Also, that’s so interesting, about the history of being “well rounded”.
I think there are even harder problems to solve than the problem of boys-who-grow-up-on-a-porn-diet-having-unrealistic-expectations. My husband and I have been talking about this (because he so hates the unrestricted access he grew up with and that his parents didn’t even try) and he set up a proxy server with a content filter. Right now we just have a toddler, and maybe one day soon our kids will be able to break through it, but we’re going to try to hold that off as long as possible while having an ongoing sex conversation.
Jennifer says:
Sounds like curriculum for the parent. Where you use your life experience and decide how you can use that to guide your children. When you have an idea of the characteristics you think would be helpful for your kids or any person to possess you change your own behaviors to instill those characteristics in your kids. It’s a very disciplined premeditated process…..
It’s not just on sex that boys will have no idea what women are like. FS writer Sarah Hoyt wrote recently about how her son once wanted to be a girl because girls had more fun (and presumably this was before “Frozen” where the men are idiots and the girls are superheroes). Years later she asked him about that. It was all a lie, he said. Girls just want to hang out and talk. And when they play video games they just want to play space princesses and get rescued.
I just fell down a rabbit hole reading your links in this post…and the links in the posts you linked to…and so on…
(But really I just want to leave a comment so I get updates if a conversation develops around the topic of porn & kids & parental roles etc).
Mark W. says:
I think you’re well-rounded if you’re willing to admit there’s always something new to learn and you’re willing and able to learn it regardless of how much you think you know about something. I like the idea of determining my own curriculum to learn (self-directed learning). However, I also like to think I can learn (and enjoy it) from curriculum devised by someone else (especially by someone who is more expert). I think where curriculum may become a problem is when it becomes fixed and rigid and when it isn’t compatible with a person’s learning style. Optimally, the learner should have as much latitude as possible determining their curriculum.
Susan says:
I’m confused. If you’re concerned about what porn does to your son’s brains, why do you have an unlimited porn policy at your house? You mention it in a comment in a thread on that post about the best way to deal with porn. I still remember it, because I found it very disturbing to willingly expose them to it.
Curricula for children that focuses on Social and Emotional Learning (SEL) skills such as collaboration, communication and problem solving will be increasingly important for the workplace of the future. That’s what the research shows according to this article which references and draws from a report by the World Economic Forum – https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/05/5-charts-that-explain-the-future-of-education/ .
This sentence in the article – “There is limited awareness of SEL and its benefits, insufficient prioritization of SEL skills, a lack of consensus about valid and reliable SEL measurements, low levels of funding and resources for SEL, and an inadequate supply of SEL programmes and products.” – is an opportunity that homeschoolers can easily seize upon relative to those children who are enrolled in school.
But the very word curriculum connotes something premeditated. You’re feeling it out as you go. How is that curriculum? It’s just parenting and life.
I want to say yes! to this but also…
Somehow education and JUST parenting and life have been separated. As if education is this scientific pursuit and there’s a recipe for it. It’s validated because there are important people with big titles getting paid a lot of money to tell teachers what to do. And on and on.
“JUST parenting and life” has been demoted to this haphazard drunk dance that sometimes looks good and sometimes makes you kiss the floor.
But it is THERE were we get prepared, or screwed up, for life no??
So basically, unschooling is turning the shirt inside out for me and saying “No. Look. This is the education. And the purpose. The goal is the same even when I have to change the approach a million times.”
“this haphazard drunk dance that sometimes looks good and sometimes makes you kiss the floor.”
Oh how I have missed you!!
Penelope, have you not yet encountered Laci Green on YouTube? https://www.youtube.com/user/lacigreen
She talks frankly and realistically about sex and it’s many varied flavors. I think you’d like her. And maybe she’d be helpful in resetting expectations for your boys.
Yes! I love her. And I’ve sent so many videos of hers to my sons. My sons just pretty much don’t care. But maybe they will care later. I think she’s great. I wish she had been around when I was younger.
Penelope
Love the real life bookshelf metaphor for curriculum. I’m still dealing with the meta of it. Also, that’s so interesting, about the history of being “well rounded”.
Re sex, porn: http://time.com/4277510/porn-and-the-threat-to-virility/?iid=toc_033116
I think there are even harder problems to solve than the problem of boys-who-grow-up-on-a-porn-diet-having-unrealistic-expectations. My husband and I have been talking about this (because he so hates the unrestricted access he grew up with and that his parents didn’t even try) and he set up a proxy server with a content filter. Right now we just have a toddler, and maybe one day soon our kids will be able to break through it, but we’re going to try to hold that off as long as possible while having an ongoing sex conversation.
Sounds like curriculum for the parent. Where you use your life experience and decide how you can use that to guide your children. When you have an idea of the characteristics you think would be helpful for your kids or any person to possess you change your own behaviors to instill those characteristics in your kids. It’s a very disciplined premeditated process…..
It’s not just on sex that boys will have no idea what women are like. FS writer Sarah Hoyt wrote recently about how her son once wanted to be a girl because girls had more fun (and presumably this was before “Frozen” where the men are idiots and the girls are superheroes). Years later she asked him about that. It was all a lie, he said. Girls just want to hang out and talk. And when they play video games they just want to play space princesses and get rescued.
I just fell down a rabbit hole reading your links in this post…and the links in the posts you linked to…and so on…
(But really I just want to leave a comment so I get updates if a conversation develops around the topic of porn & kids & parental roles etc).
I think you’re well-rounded if you’re willing to admit there’s always something new to learn and you’re willing and able to learn it regardless of how much you think you know about something. I like the idea of determining my own curriculum to learn (self-directed learning). However, I also like to think I can learn (and enjoy it) from curriculum devised by someone else (especially by someone who is more expert). I think where curriculum may become a problem is when it becomes fixed and rigid and when it isn’t compatible with a person’s learning style. Optimally, the learner should have as much latitude as possible determining their curriculum.
I’m confused. If you’re concerned about what porn does to your son’s brains, why do you have an unlimited porn policy at your house? You mention it in a comment in a thread on that post about the best way to deal with porn. I still remember it, because I found it very disturbing to willingly expose them to it.
Oh here it is – http://education.penelopetrunk.com/2015/10/13/best-way-deal-with-porn-create-a-confident-self-directed-learner/
Yep. I changed my mind. I think it happens a lot on this blog. It happens so much that I don’t really document it as a moment.
As for porn, I am trying to figure out what’s best. I don’t think anyone knows. I think we know what doesn’t work. Not what works. So I’m trying.
I think a good page on my blog would be a list of links to all the times I changed my mind. I did one post about it, here:
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2013/07/15/5-things-i-was-wrong-about/
Penelope
Curricula for children that focuses on Social and Emotional Learning (SEL) skills such as collaboration, communication and problem solving will be increasingly important for the workplace of the future. That’s what the research shows according to this article which references and draws from a report by the World Economic Forum – https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/05/5-charts-that-explain-the-future-of-education/ .
This sentence in the article – “There is limited awareness of SEL and its benefits, insufficient prioritization of SEL skills, a lack of consensus about valid and reliable SEL measurements, low levels of funding and resources for SEL, and an inadequate supply of SEL programmes and products.” – is an opportunity that homeschoolers can easily seize upon relative to those children who are enrolled in school.